i'm supportive and really love the aesthetic, consistency, mono & lex's long term community participation, what everyone that attended one of the ETH global events are reporting back about the nouns fair presence, etc. it's all really great and much needed for nouns to continue to grow into a cornerstone of eth builder culture so i'm very much excited to vote FOR.

that said, i do want to take the moment to highlight a few things that was a bit of a red flag on the budget side of things.

i know that prop 524 was cancelled for the reason to separate the followup onboarding portion of the prop, but the prop had the nouns fair budget entirely in eth (115 eth), which doesn't make sense to me since the fair event costs are all USD based.

with the updated prop we're seeing possibly an explanation of why it was eth based since the builders are asking for builder comp of 90 eth. but builder compensation wasn't a bullet point in the nouns fair eth budget in the original prop?

to be clear i'm TOTALLY fine with builders asking for comp and asking for a generous comp if they are proven and over delivered over their past props (mono & lex qualify imo) but i'm really not okay with builder comp being silently added to what is described as cost. i'm honestly a bit surprised veteran prop builders mono & lex approached it that way. giving the benefit of the doubt here since they are trusted community builders but would have voted against if i saw it from new builders tbh.

also, in general i really want to ask for builders to put comp requests in USD terms than put it in ETH units. i know it can be framed as being more eth aligned but i kind of don't buy it and view it as making harder for the voters to easily comprehend the salary ask being made (without doing additional mental math) and prop writing should focus on making it easier for voters. also what if eth prop goes down? asking for eth comp for an annual prop like this is kind of like asking for an eth call option as payment. you're taking a directional bet on eth price. it's just weird. i honestly wonder if builders that put their comp in eth terms feel a bit awkward about asking for a large sum of usd and feel better showing a smaller number in eth terms. 90 eth is asking for $270,000 (given this is for 9 months, you're each asking for a $180k salary for running nouns fair). yeah it's not a small sum of money but you're saying your work is worth it and you deserve that amount. i'm down for the dao to pay that but you should ask it upfront proudly with clarity.

also one last thing is that the two of you already get paid 2 eth per month for prop 468 (nouns amigos). so in reality you're each asking for a combined annual salary in the $250k range (7 eth per month) for running both nouns fair and nouns amigos. that's okay, full time nouns ppl that are exceptional can command that amount of money, but again i feel weird that the nouns amigos compensation is not mentioned in this prop as kind of a disclosure. how is time being split between the two efforts? are you actually full time nouns or is nouns fair and nouns amigos part time work still?

the financial reality of this prop is that it's a ~$500k prop. that's the range in which i take the financial ask really seriously and only would vote yes for proven builders that scaled the prop funding ask over many props with transparency. the reality of this prop at the moment is that the financial transparency and clarity of the ask is just not what i would expect from a $500k ask returning nouns prop

given that this prop would likely still pass without my support (and having written this full vwr) i'm actually deciding to vote against just to make the signal around the issues i had a bit more clear and hopefully have more future prop builders writing props avoid the same issues.

I'm a big believer that Nouns should have a strong presence at key events, working to onboard builders and creators alike. Nouns should strive to be a tentpole partner deeply integrated into flagship events like ETHGlobal, becoming a consistent, unmissable component of the builder experience.

Initiatives like the Nouns Fair are powerful tools to cement that position, creating a fun, welcoming, and impactful impression for thousands of talented developers worldwide.

In favor of giving this initiative the strong support it needs to scale up. Let's make it happen.

I have had the pleasure of seeing Mono, Lex and co in action at ETHWaterloo last year, and I have heard only good things about their other activations in Colombia and elsewhere too. From what I've seen firsthand and heard, they do an amazing job at creating high-impact visual displays and doing meaningful devrel outreach at these hacking events, and I think it's money well-spent to enable them to continue representing us at these events in the spirit of "Nouns as the cultural arm of Ethereum" (h/t seneca.)

The Nouncil has spoken.

We discuss all Nouns proposals every week in our Discord https://discord.gg/fdjJpMeV6K. The calls are public and all are welcome!

You can find previous call recordings here: https://nouncil.notion.site/30328df718424f17a623859018497fc2?v=806b5234a2a34b619c3d5028bcd879f0&pvs=4

Nouncil was divided by vote on this one, but the threshold was met to vote FOR this proposal.

FOR - 22 VOTES

bigshotklim | "One of the most nounish groups, doing the best most nounish things and delivering on everything. This is a hell yes, this crew are some of the most passionate and well meaning good will ambassadors that we have. I would vote yes even if they asked for a million dollars. We gave some people way more than this and they delivered zero value back, so I would hope that this passes."

yung_algorithm | "important for Nouns"

joshuafisher | "let them cook!"

messhup | *"Nouns is becoming a strong brand in web3 and I'm convinced we can reach more builders and future Nouners having a presence in these kind of events, plus, Lex and Mono have an amazing vibe hosting the fair despite the long hours and hectic environment.

I strongly support both of them, they have worked really hard to reach this point. We should keep covering these places, with amazing people doing great things.

Keep it Nounish chimuelos ⌐◨u◨"*

mikegood | "let them cook"

imwylin | *"Tricky.
i’m left wondering what are we actually bringing people in to, the overall state of the ecosystem, the way subDAOs are mostly ignored by the economic majority who control the culture, the ability for new entrants to gain recognition through merit.
Nouns is great at top of funnel, lower down the funnel is being pushed mostly behind closed doors by a few.

Putting those concerns aside and looking at just the Nouns Fair team, their track record, and the prop, i’m a For."*

AGAINST - 20 VOTES

ABSTAINS - 4 VOTES

Big fan of IRL events and this team has delivered before. I say we support them and would love to see more of this, more growth, more awareness.
⌐◨-◨

All for supporting builders in the Nouns space.
Do echo other's concerns on costs/compensation though.
Would like to see these builders and their projects to be added to a place with more visibility so we nouns could continue a relationship with them.
It seems right now the details are buried in propdates, notion and ethglobal.

Issa yes!

For: 3 | Against: 1 | Abstain: 0

+for easy yes for me — @mulfdev.eth

If bixbite is off then I'm +for — @pip

+against I believe a salary of $160k per person to plan and attend 5 hackathons is extremely expensive. Each hackathon would cost the DAO over 100k and without a clear funnel for retention or conversation it comes out to a very costly proliferation proposal. — @bixbite

+for since ▛▟ ▉ ▙▟ ▛▟ ▟▘ 🎡 onboarded me in Eth Sanfrancisco 22 — @fattybuthappy

via @zeroweight

!vibe. all accounts say they run a good show.

hopefully some synergies emerge with other nounish sectors.

nouns needs more builders. this is a solid proposal for attracting them from known builders in our ecosystem. let's build.

I like this prop - where it started, where the team is today and where they're heading!

Wondering if a) there's a (paid!) membership model to this that could make this a self sustaining initiative in 2-3 additional iterations and b) if the team is keen exploring? I'm open to further collaborate.

Nouns fair in Paris was the first irl nouns "event" I ever saw. Really good vibes and effort from the team to get people onboarded.
Happy to see it moving forward.

I love seeing people try to bring in new developers to the Nouns community! It's pretty expensive, but probably worth it in the end.

The Amigos made a decision: FOR.

FOR - 8 VOTES

• iledesignia | "Nouns through the Nouns Fair and Nouns Prize at ETHGlobal hackathons, the goal is to officially partner with ETHGlobal for the next five hackathons in 2024."

AGAINST - 0 VOTES

ABSTAINS - 0 VOTES

i believe mono & lex are some of the best builders we've seen on nouns. their dedication, tendency to overdeliver, and passion for introducing nouns to others is unmatched. nouns fair is one of the most important things we can keep doing to reach some of our most desired audience. the amount of feedback we've received from doing these is incredible. i believe that by the end of this journey, mono & lex will be able to pull off an entire nouns fair event just for nouns. i dream of someday having a nouns fair event where everything is just nouns, we do all types of nounish things with nounish people in nounish places. there are a lot of great things that will come from this proposal, and i'm very excited to see what happens. godspeed.

The Nouns Fair is a great way to onboard developers, but with no plans of retargeting or continuing the builders path, it’s very expensive brand exposure proposal with each event costing the DAO 100k+.

Lets hack! Looking forward to meet you in Brussels

I knew about nouns this way, in an event by them

Very excellent exposure to builders. Strong support!

I remember the first Nouns Fair I went to at Devcon in Bogata and the pizza meetup later. Really good local proliferation.

https://www.lilnouns.wtf/vote/nounsdao/527/votes FOR 41 VOTES AGAINST 213 VOTES 0x9e0e9D25a5ED9bc773f91691f0b45599255257B1 | "High cost, unclear ROI, budget increases lack justification, questions on long-term impact & strategic fit, operational risks in execution." 0x073f0DC58e9989C827bA5b7b35570B7315652e63 | "+1 my vwr in Lil Nouncil" ABSTAINS 0 VOTES

High quality nounish presence in the right circles is great for the DAO. This is exactly that, excited for Nouns to fund Nouns Fair!

Nouns Fair has become a staple of Nouns memeing. Mono and Lex are great, understand the culture well and are proven builders. All around great prop.

The booths at ETHGlobal are a great way to spread nounish culture and vibes, love to see it!

All Noun booths I've seen are high quality with wholesome people.
Great way to spread the word.

Mono and Lex have been authentically connecting Nouns to an ETH-centric builder audience for a long time now. As a DAO running on Ethereum these are some of the most important events for Nouns to be present at. The activations feel very aligned with the vibe I want Nouns to be presenting to the world. I strongly support this project and wish the team best of luck representing Nouns in 2024.

ETHGlobal conferences bring together builders all over the world. It's great to have a strong nounish presence on the ground at these events! 🧱🏆

Excited to see more of Nouns Fair (their booth design is one of my fav nounish aesthetics) and supportive of Mono/Lex taking higher comp for the work they do so well.

(Wrt the cut online component, I think it can be fleshed out and go up as an individual prop.)