Love to see all the discussion, and apologies for tuning in late.

Been thinking it over, and as others have pointed out, this prop is not a home run. Generally think the DAO needs to be more selective on funding right now given the recent burn rate and drop in auction prices.

Generally against funding someone for a second prop when they have a large prop still pending completion. Prop 450 was funded more than 7 months ago with what seems like minimal progress (?). Understandably, props like this one can take time to complete, but there hasn’t been much transparency: no Propdate since April 29, and for some reason it’s marked as completed in Propdates when it is not.

Agree with others who have commented it’s odd we are paying community guest speakers. This is likely not necessary, as I suspect many Nouners (including ourselves) would do this for free.

Also, it doesn’t feel right to see a number of FOR votes from Nouners with a direct conflict of interest in this prop, would expect these Nouners to abstain from voting. This being said, it is understandably hard to abstain when a prop includes many Nouners.

Feels like this was a rushed last minute decision given the prop and that FWB FEST is less than a month away. We will be attending FWB FEST (got our tickets 6 months ago), and are all for having Nouns represented there, just not sure this is the way.

We are aware The Park is has contributed some amazing things to the space and are Nounish builders. We don’t want to detract from the work they have done here. Voting against this prop, not the team behind it!

For: 19 | Against: 6 | Abstain: 0

+against - I don’t think we’ve seen enough value from these “let me represent nouns @ event” type proposals. we aren’t building durable brand here — FWB gets the benefits. Nouns gets “exposure” but I’m tired of the “exposure” props — @frog

+against since i am not convinced friends with benefits fest is the stage that will enable to achieve expected conclusions of greater participation in the Nouns DAO ecosystem — @fattybuthappy

+against There’s no clear content strategy, and the budget needs to be as transparent as a window. It’s way too costly for an experiment. — @nekofar.eth

+against — @bixbite

+against - think it’s irresponsible governance to give Nouns and funding to proposers with an unfinished proposal, in this case a $650,000 one

prominent Nouns voters seem to change their bar for quality up or down depending on who is proposing; other voters move with them for the sake of “alignment.”

few and far between does any proposer get a call to clarify details. makes the whole process feel like inside baseball rather than meritocratic democracy. woe to the well-intentioned stranger who gets voted down because they’re not in the club

don’t think this is a proposal that passes if someone else were proposing. would also hope to see substantial progress made on prop 450 before any further requests for funding, ie a signed lease agreement on a space with design sketches for interior layout & design — @wylin

+for whoa, didn’t realize i could vote like this — @drewcoffman.eth

+for @thepark delivers! The artists list is phenomenal. The idea to get ⌐◨-◨ in front of this crowd in this way seems really cool!

Fun! — @joshuafisher.eth

+for - a big cultural moment for our communities - happy friday https://open.spotify.com/track/17ZoYUiXpDntWIX76MHsgu?si=1f6322f1637d44dc — @thepark

+FOR would love to see Nouns at Fest this year. — @rociocarella.eth

+for HF! Culture worldwide — @trevortraynor

+for with /urltoirl nounish energy ⌐◨-◨ happy friday! — @davidtphung

+for — @rickyday

+for because I witnessed The Park presence at FWB FEST last year and it made a significant impact on my understanding of how the cultural, technological, and financial aspects of web3 intersect — @cxy

+FOR The Park is bringing together many creatives and educating artists/ creators the benefits of putting work on chain. ⛓️‍💥 ❤️ — @giuseppe

+for 😤 — @clt

+for Fridays at the Park is a reputable tastemaker in the web3 space. i would love to see it use its platform to help facilitate more cross-pollination between Nouns and other communities💕 — @resipsa

+for after last year’s FEST, i’m a Fridays at the park evangelist as a gateway to nouns — both @ccarella.eth and @davidtphung can attest to this

it was one of the most fun, immersive, and engaging experiences i had during the weekend — @ted

+for @thepark , @fwb and fun times, what's not to like — @mattlee

+for Group purple support — @alexpaden

+for ⌐Ⓗ-Ⓕ — @errorgardener

+against I don’t doubt that the event will be really great but I agree with lilfrog & noun40. I also feel like it should have been clearly stated in the prop if any of the team members are also working for FWB — @datadanne.eth

+for based on the turnout to zeroweight, can't deny so many great testimonials — @pip

+for The Park has a proven record of producing incredible events that bring people together and spread love. From my perspective, that’s the core of nouns. — @chicbangs.eth

+for — @tricil.eth

While I agree with some of the sentiment about props like these I beleive in this team and thir ability to create and distribute excellent content and execute on their vision I love what they have been doing and support this prop +for — @bigshotklim

The Park is an excellent example of the best of Nounish builders. They represent the Nouns and onchain ethos well. We’ve spent more funds on less strong representatives. While the proposal is a bit less Nouns exclusive than normal, I know that The Park will be such great evangelists that I am in support

The Nouncil has spoken.

We discuss all Nouns proposals every week in our Discord https://discord.gg/fdjJpMeV6K. The calls are public and all are welcome!

You can find a link to previous call recordings in our Discord welcome channel.

Nouncil has to abstain from this proposal, as it failed to meet the vote threshold, with 14 votes for, 16 against, and 4 abstentions. Supporters appreciated the alignment between Nouns and FWB, seeing it as a fun and impactful event with a solid team behind it. However, opponents raised concerns about the proposal's budget transparency, the use of previously allocated funds from the Nouns Coffee proposal, and the lack of onchain elements. The split vote reflects differing opinions on the project's execution and funding, highlighting the need for clearer details and budgeting in future proposals.

FOR - 14 VOTES

sqx.pcc | *"we sponsored a glitch retreat and gave will a noun. don’t see how this is different. so +for because.

usually speakers and room/board are paid by the event throwers though.

we are them I guess. sooo sponsoring FWB to sponsor ourselves."*

benbodhi | "This sounds like fun, team is solid, I’m down!"

toady_hawk | "I think this will be an impactful event to meld the worlds of Nouns and FWB, which are very values-aligned already, and I trust Derek to deliver something awesome."

AGAINST - 16 VOTES

I believe The Park is one of the most successful DAOs utilizing Nouns Builder. Not only that, but they are a great group of people creating genuine and passionate content at the intersection of onchain and music. I think this proposal will create thoughtful touchpoints for Nouns with both the music community and the greater FWB culture, which has been a mainstay in the zeitgeist over the last few years.

The Park has one of the strongest minting cultures I've seen (go look at their Zora page! many of these mints are already proliferating Nouns) and something really special could be produced via the droposal. I would love to see more collaborative droposals between the two DAOs.

The net result should hopefully be many fest attendees feeling strongly onboarded to Nouns through an awesome and meaningful activation!

The Park is a nounish DAO

hope to make it to the fest to dance with my noun frens IRL (dancing together online is just not the same)

accidentally signaled instead of voting 😅

I ultimately believe this proposal is good. The Park are super nounish, great at executing IRL events, and FWB Fest is one of those crypto culture Schelling points that Nouns can gain a lot by having a presence at, if successful. Chris's testimonial about FWB Fest's impact on Builder also makes me more confident that this is true.

For these sorts of things I am not too concerned with the specifics of the budget. It's more of a "grant them $X and let them cook" situation in my head - which I feel comfortable doing.

my vote on this may have been different if the proposers weren't such strong nounish contributors. irl activations are hard to do well, but the park has been consistent in making cool shit onchain and irl. and i'm betting that they pull this off in ways that exceed expectations.

When I first read the prop I went from „this is kinda cool“ to irritated because of some of framing to "rep Nouns", and specifically how the budget was structured - it killed the romance for me.

Yesterday evening I got on a call with Derek to talk through the prop and get more context. My main take away is that it’s increasingly difficult to craft these type of proposals and then also incorporate a lot of feedback. Especially when the general feedback is „shorten it“, „people don’t read that much“, etc. Sometimes you just can’t shorten it, because details matter. Different details matter to different people.

Without the additional context of how much is actually planned with performances, getting talent involved, etc. I was leaning more towards AGAINST.

Here’s my wishlist for a potential FWB Fest 2025 version of this proposal:

• a (much) stronger FWB x ⌐◨-◨ integration
• More structured and detailed budget [IN] the proposal
• Actual total costs vs. what the funding request is for
• A lot more details on HOW, WHAT, WHERE, WHO
• And lastly as a Nouns + The Park Fan, if and how I can get involved

I’m looking forward to seeing content and mini documentaries coming through - keep us in the know!

⌐◨-◨

I do not like having parts of proposals not Onchain. The budget should be written into the proposal even if it’s marked as a draft. That Google Sheet could one day be deleted (not saying it would out of ill intention) and then future DAO participants could not reference the budget. I also agree with Frog & think it would be nice if we mixed in sponsorships of other events along with hosting our own.

from /nounsfe:
For: 4 | Against: 0 | Abstain: 0

jesscas: for, let's make this happen, looks super awesome and +1 toady

katalyyst: for! i see some awesome people involved and it seems like the park has a good track record. lots of onboarding potential. good luck!

tori: for, +1 krei, still cool and great event but feels like it is fronted to nouns instead of ran with nouns

lunari: for - have enjoyed seeing the content come from The Park, and seeing them interact with other parts of the DAO :] +1 to drewcoffman

Yes to Drew and Jesse's comments, artifacts created onchain should be attributed and signaled back to the Nouns DAO. The mission is to continue developing artifacts documenting Nounish energy in real life and digital artifacts attributed to the DAO.

I'm in for the heart and mission proliferating the noggles irl.

Some proliferation highlights below:
https://warpcast.com/drewcoffman.eth/0x2ffca42a

https://warpcast.com/davidtphung/0x33eadfa8

https://x.com/davidtphung/status/1776058903739904457

Thank you, keep going, and Happy Friday!

Stay heartFULL,

David T Phung

love the lively discussion on this prop! i feel the closest to krel's vwr that i was a bit torn but ultimately leaned in the direction of supporting. chris' report on there having been nouners and nouns props that were generated from nounish encounters on last year's FWB Fest also contributed to my decision. i do feel lilfrog's views though as well.

a few thoughts on things that could be improved for next year:

• i agree with lilfrog that there's a lot of value that FWB is also getting by nouns fronting the bill on this event and performance that adds value to the FWB Fest. i wonder if it could have been structured as a bit more as a partnership where FWB wants nouns to put on this event as much as we're willing to fund creativity such that $12k FWB housing items and maybe the $15k main stage performance costs have been covered by them? i don't know the norms of FWB Fest but theoretically it does seem reasonable that they would court nouns to spend ~$50k for IRL experiences and creativity at FWB Fest by subsidizing something like $30k or so.
• i'm slightly torn by $10k community guest speaker fees. on one hand maybe it's reasonable to pay ppl to come so that we have the best representatives possible. on the other hand it's kind of a festival that ppl would normally go to to enjoy and maybe the ppl that would normally go anyways would be the right ppl to represent the cross section of nouns x FWB?

as seen in my comments above i think the main issue i feel with the prop is that it feels a bit loose on the budget. i think nouns is increasingly getting into a world we need to be tight on prop budgets to be able to keep funding the depth and breath of things that we fund!

anyways, having said all that i really recognize the nouns love and passion the park ppl have and have no doubt that this will be amongst the most nounish IRL activations. hope it passes and best of luck to everyone involved!

i'm with it. hope to see some folks onboarded to nouns through these types of events if we wanna keep this all going. good luck! ⌐◨-◨

nom nom The Park

Nouns is on a mission to put ⌐◨-◨ in front of the best creatives in the world in a fun and authentic way and The Park @ FWB in Idyllwild does just that.

First and foremost we can't gloss over the artists listed here, maybe you don't know them but these are some seriously creative folks with great teams and creative people around them that are very respected in creative circles. If any of them fall in love with ⌐◨-◨ like so many of us have there is tons of potential.

I would love to see this inspire more studio takeovers, collaborative sessions and event pop ups for Nouns in the music scene.

+1 to drewcoffman.eth's perspective. would like to see any onchain assets created split 50/50 with nouns. ideally these sorts of activations should be self-funding.

There's few communities think that come together better than FWB and Nouns when it comes to things. The Park is nounish. Very much for this.

While I echo some concerns all around. No doubt the PMF and like mindedness. (Given there is allready overlap) is worth nurturing further.

Some type of based conversion metrics would be good. Maybe a pop up retail shop?

https://www.lilnouns.wtf/vote/nounsdao/573/votes

FOR 27 VOTES

0xFC53...6183 | "expensive but i think i still dig it... seems like a good chance to onboard likeminded creators in the space & get some good content."

AGAINST 113 VOTES

0x9e0e...57B1 | "Paying speakers for a party lacks value. No clear content strategy. Budget must be transparent on-chain. Too high for an experiment."

0x65A3...1D63 | "Not really feeling this one. IRL activations haven't really panned out and I'm honest this probably sort of reads like a bunch of folks wanting to get free travel + food to an event and want nouns to cover the bill. This isn't the sort of big ambitious type of proposal nouns should be spending energy on"

ABSTAIN 1 VOTES

0x2d9c...AA8B | "Still learning! Would love to get involved in theses efforts and see how we can bring more community into it!? Read the proposal and looks thorough but a ton of money! Anyway less ask with swag to bring and spread around while still performing and wearing noggles to spark interest?"

The Park is a nounish DAO

Major FOMO. I believe this team is fully aligned and is active in the Nouns ecosystem. These type of activations have potential to attract more talent and active contributors to our ecosystem. Bummed I won't be able to attend due to Visa issues.

The Park is doing great things to get real culture integrated into Nouns. The budget feels reasonable for the amount of folks involved. Inspiring & helpful prop imo

This is a high quality, high touch, high art, high authenticity presence for Nouns in a place where web3 people who care deeply about the intersection of culture and technology

The Park continues to connect url ♾️ irl cross continents & lead the way in producing, curating, & creating for the people, for the culture! Im always excited to witness/experience the forward momentum and long prolific history of The Parks inventive and collaborative efforts onChain & worldwide. This would be an easy "For" from me...just look at the track record.

Was on the fence and needed someone who attended this to highlight how it helped them be onboarded to nouns.

+1 on Krel's note - this isn't a homerun prop and i still think pure spend to impact ratio is inflated here.

Agree with Chris. The rumors of the death of nouns have been greatly exaggerated, and probably one of the best ways to counter this notion is to continue to contribute meaningfully in places where onchain tastemakers gather to learn and share. FWB/Fest fits the bill. Also agree wholeheartedly with Krel wrt betting big on enabling the biggest nouns fans to "do their thing." Bullish The Park.

FWB Fest has an outsized impact on the creative crypto community. Last year, I attended as an emissary of Builder DAO, and it was a top event for generating awareness and interest in Builder. I also spoke to many people about Nouns, cleared up their misconceptions, and discussed bringing their creative projects to Nouns, culminating in Nouns Coffeeshop. As a result, I can count at least six new Nouns since the event (Valerie x 2, the Park, Drew, Will, and myself) who were either awarded for impact or purchased a Noun after the event. Fest is focused on creative technologists and longtime crypto practitioners who are ready to become Nouns contributors and members.

One thing I've learned in more intimate settings like Fest is that would be contributors, even and maybe especially experienced crypto practitioners, are still intimidated by Nouns, think it's an exclusive club, not for them or find it difficult to onboard and get started. It is easy to overcome but the most effective way to do it is to meet people IRL, show them a friendly face, introduce them to other Nouns and make them more comfortable engaging deeper. We have a lot to talk about this year, including the ability to join by earning $Nouns. Having an official presence at Fest lets them know that Nouns is here to support and collaborate with them and the creative community.

Music, Nouns, IRL events, all of this is how I love to spend time and seems like a good fit with FWB. I had the pleasure of hanging out with Derek and Val and have no doubt the vibes at this will be off the charts. I really hope I can make it over there!
Best of luck.

Although we would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to see our burgers cooked across the other side of the world and believe all speakers on this panel represent the DAO very well, and really enjoy the creative way Park DAO brings people on chain, this proposal isn't a ‘Home Run’. Therefore, we don't believe we should be funding things that miss the mark. It's a super cool activation, but unfortunately, this just feels like Nouns is funding the entire thing. The proposal doesn't state if Park DAO is contributing to this event, and if so, how much? This would certainly change our opinion.

Bringing Nouns to a gathering of creatives and builders sounds like a good idea. It's the perfect environment to play nouns and help others learn how to play the nounish way.

Tbc, this is not a homerun prop for me and the outcome is not super clear, but i have a strong conviction in Nouns enabling its biggest fans to do their thing. Provide them the runway needed to spread nouns organically in their (creative) circles.

Nouns thrives when people do things with great passion (and struggles when we fund people to do checkbox exercises), and in that department i trust The Park to deliver.

when I first found nouns, the only thing I wanted to contribute to the protocol was making music with and for the protocol.. then I found the park where I kinda feel is the Nounish home of music, so far we have made over 3 nouns related music pieces from Friday’s at the park, Becky v2 and the Becky v2 short film which is decked with ⌐◨-◨.

our ugandan park family was not able to secure US visas to be at this year’s FWB, but I believe it was going to be one of the biggest Nounish activations with us getting to perform the song on a big stage wearing ⌐◨-◨.

Happy Friday ⌐Ⓗ-Ⓕ

I want to preface my vote on this proposal by acknowledging a potential bias: I'm good friends with Derek, and we're collaborating on Prop 450. However, I'm not affiliated with The Park, and I consider this proposal separate from our ongoing work. Additionally, while I used to work with FWB, I haven't done so professionally for about a year and will be attending this year's event as a participant.

Derek played a pivotal role in introducing me to Nouns and sparking my interest in contributing. His commitment to the Nouns ecosystem is evident: He constantly rocks a noggle earring, dedicates time and energy to Nounish projects, and showcases Nouns when talking about his work onchain. A Lil Nouns Coffee event a couple of years ago, which Derek organized, was my first 'nounish' IRL experience.

Derek played a pivotal role in introducing me to Nouns and sparking my interest in contributing. His commitment to the Nouns ecosystem is evident in the way he constantly rocks a noggle earring, the way he dedicates time and energy to Nounish projects (the Lil Nouns Coffee event a couple of years ago, which Derek organized, was my first 'nounish' IRL experience) and the way he showcases Nouns when talking about his work onchain.

Last year, The Park's activation at FWB Fest was a significant success. They brought Nounish builders to the event and effectively showcased the heart of Nouns to a crowd of onchain natives and curious individuals. This audience, gathered to discuss building a better future internet, was perfectly primed to engage with Nouns' approach to decentralized creativity and governance. The Park's presence not only increased visibility for Nouns but also fostered meaningful conversations about the project's potential future impact.

Regarding Lilfrog's comment about community members repping Nouns voluntarily rather than for payment, I understand the sentiment but believe it misses the mark here. Derek and the collective of The Park have consistently represented Nouns at various events, including Coachella - all unpaid. There's a clear distinction between casually repping Nouns at events (which Derek already does) and executing a structured, comprehensive representation strategy as outlined in this proposal.

Lilfrog also asked if the money would be better served creating our own Nouns event. That’s an admirable desire (and something I know others in our community are very much working on), but that would be on a budgetary scale vastly different from what this proposal is scoped for.

This prop offers an immediate and concrete plan for representation at a major event happening in the near future. It allows us to seize a timely opportunity to showcase Nouns alongside other major players in the ecosystem via a nounish DAO that represents the community well. The Park's track record demonstrates that they have the ability to create meaningful, impactful activations.

It’s a yes from me ☻

Nouns is full of fun. Good luck and hope to see you guys soon!

largely agree with lilfrog's vote. It would be one thing if we were directly collaborating with FWB and being more concrete with how the conference would drive value back to the DAO.

Bring amazing Nounish energy, awareness, and visibility to FWB FEST

It would be cool if folks in our community repped nouns at these events because they wanted to, not because they were getting paid to do so.

Paying Nounish guest speakers implies they are working, whereas this event is essentially an expense paid trip to a party in the woods.

Even if content is created, there needs to be a clear distribution strategy to ensure it reaches the intended audience, which this proposal lacks.

The budget should be presented directly on the onchain proposal rather than an editable Google Sheet to ensure transparency and accountability.

While the proposal could be a worthwhile experiment, the current budget exceeds what should be allocated for an experimental initiative.