I think there's default merit to the team for actually delivering something out of all Farcaster grantees 🙏. Unfortunately, looking at the numbers, I don't think the product has hit any kind of product-market fit (yet!). imao, total no of events is not a great metric.

It'd be cool if before asking for more funds, the team managed to get a couple of sub-communities really excited and using the product daily (together with their members), and maybe a few paying users. Then, I'd feel more confident in supporting them fwd!

Pretty ridiculous vwr imo, We shouldn't feel guilty about voting no on six figure proposals for products that have essentially 0 users / traction - and that have already been funded six figures ~6 months ago.

This is a large amount of money, I don't doubt the team are cool Nounish people but it is about the product eod, not just paying people $300,000 because they bought some Nouns. This could be done on a smaller budget, perhaps with different focus? As you say, Nouncil is against, which imo is because Nouncil has been pitched the same thing for months rather than allowing the product to speak for itself and letting the users guide development.

Gl to the team, I personally like aspects of this as we've spoken about previously, like serving as a front end for SubDAOs that don't have functioning auction houses (e.g. foodnouns), becoming your own client ID at Nouns, help proposal flows, candidates, voting, auction, exploring props - also web development should be mobile first imo - big scope and I wish you success.

Toady hit the nail on the head ⌐◨-◨

To be honest, I’m a little confused by the community’s reaction to Nounspace and the general lack of support for WillyWonka, Realitycrafter and the Nounspace team.

As a DAO, sometimes I feel las though we behave like a hundred-headed Idea Guy on an ADHD-fueled bender. We wake up one morning like a collective Cat meme and peer over our newspaper to say something like “I should fund a Farcaster client!”

And, because ADHD is a helluva drug, one week later there’s a passed proposal and a prize pool for builders of a Nouns-first Farcaster app, something we decided we needed dearly. Nice. We give 3 top teams a chunk of change and we generally feel pretty good about ourselves. This is what it means to build!

But then, the meds wear off and we get distracted — on to the next shiny coordination problem.

Meanwhile, one of those teams (and only one, so far) actually executes passionately and thoughtfully and delivers a working Nounish MVP with actual users and some early traction (and even some inherent mechanisms that may help with eventual sustainability.) The team love nouns, engages with the community, and says they want to keep building this infra that we said we wanted. They even buy Nouns of their own to show their alignment and commitment. They make a proposal for funding to turn their sprint into a half marathon and see if they can find PMF.

We turn them down.

They take away what little criticism they do receive, revise and come back with a leaner proposal.

This time, we just don’t even vote or give feedback on it at all. (Except for Nouncil, which voted in favor of the previous, more expensive iteration, but is somehow now against the current version.)

We say we want to attract and retain passionate, talented builders to solve problems for Nouns and beyond… but why would builders want to build for us in this kind of environment?

Food for thought (and we should never take our Ritalin on an empty stomach.)

For: 6 | Against: 0 | Abstain: 3

+for - @moctezuma3ro

+for - @willdias

+for - @zimardrp

🎥🎥🎥 - @r4topunk

@givepraise to @zeroweight for any unique voting system to allow my gratitude +for NounSpace, mainly the community and team pushing the unique platform. Since I understood the reason and purpose it provides I started showing more friends. This bridges what browsers should have done to create your own space.. +/w web3! - @koh

+for - @skateboard

+for - @goyabean-

+abstain - @symbiotech.eth

🍿 - @pip

https://www.lilnouns.wtf/vote/nounsdao/647/votes

FOR 0 VOTES

AGAINST 12 VOTES

ABSTAIN 0 VOTES

Backing this proposal makes sense given Nounspace’s potential to be a real decentralized social hub, not just for Nouns but for the broader web3 space. The team has adjusted their budget and sharpened their focus based on feedback, staying true to Ethereum values: open source, decentralized, and community driven. Considering development costs, man hours, and the need for continuous iterations, the $200k request for five months is not unreasonable to keep things moving forward.

Sustainability concerns are fair. Relying just on $SPACE rewards could lead to short-term hype without lasting retention. The team needs to lock in solid milestones tied to actual community growth and adoption so it doesn’t fizzle out once the incentives dry up.

Competing with Warpcast right now is unrealistic, so Nounspace needs to lean hard into its unique value. They should focus on building features that really resonate with web3 communities.

I wish the team would be more receptive on input and guidance from day 1, so here it is publicly for whoever is considering building social engagement platform / tools:
social (community) platforms grow through their content creation tools and discovery algorithms.

That's it.

That's all you need to know and apply:

• Ship (simple) content creation tools that lean into and amplify the zeitgeist.

• It's all about creation + (content) discovery

That's the trojan horse to build out a social platform where people want to spend their time to discover others.

that's how every single social platform started out, grew, iterated to stay relevant.

Obviously it's not that easy and it takes a certain type of team that has their ear to the streets and chains and development force to ship timely.

Focusing on building out yet another framework platform where users can do "everything" isn't it. In a world of abundance, everything means "nothing".

The nouniverse has voted through $NOGS ⌐◨-◨

FOR: 7
AGAINST: 4

31680 $NOGS have been shared among the participants.

Nounspace is a cool platform. I'd love to see dev continued. The budget is quite high, so I would expect to see more adoption/usage to validate the spending.

Nouncil has spoken.

We discuss all Nouns proposals every week in our Discord https://discord.gg/fdjJpMeV6K. The calls are public and all are welcome!

You can find a link to previous call recordings in our Discord "links" channel.

Nouncil has voted Against this proposal, with 14 votes for, 24 against, and 9 abstentions. Thanks for playing Nouns, see comments below:

FOR - 14 VOTES

benbodhi | "Nounspace is a cool platform and I hope we see more and more people using it."

AGAINST - 24 VOTES

borg00000 | "Still too high cost for projected usage imo"

ABSTAINS - 9 VOTES

Agora stands out for me as one of Nouns tech success stories.

a small team funded 20eth (with eth priced at ~$1,500) to solve a very specific problem for Nouns - delegation. They identified a pain point in Nouns’ tooling and solved it, making it easier to disseminate information and coordinate with aligned individuals in the ecosystem, and saw significant traction among Nouners. (RIP Prop.House)
they came back, ultimately passing a prop for $221k. a hefty price tag, yet there were was a clear roadmap and deliverables providing direct value to Nouns DAO. the product was so good that Optimism, ENS, & Uniswap adopted the product and the company received venture backing

(why Nouns then gave a non-dilutive $500k grant to & created client incentives for a Y-Combinator portfolio company that was on the verge of closing it’s doors to build a governance client when there is seemingly no roadmap to venture scalability or break even revenue generation is beyond me, but “alignment”)

i think what’s missing for nounspace is that it doesn’t solve any problems for Nouns. the mandate for the round was, “to build a dedicated Nouns client to help surface information across the Nouns ecosystem.” a myspace style profile doesn’t serve that purpose; it doesn’t make discussion and coordination any easier, it doesn’t help proposers connect with voters. i have used the product several times. my profile isn’t customized because i didn’t feel the need or desire to save the changes made

regardless of Nouns treasury size, i think it is important that the proposals we fund hit one or more of these:
a) public goods either in the hyper technical definition of non-excludable & non-rivalrous or in the spirit of those words (charitable impact, doing good for the public at large, {strong disagree with nbaronia about physical spaces})
b) provide direct benefit to Nouns voters by solving pain points in the existing processes
c) introduce Nouns to new bidders and builders who can accelerate the memetic flywheel

unfortunately, putting noggles on a website in the name of “proliferation” isn’t hitting any of those marks. it’s a cool idea, and i do wish the team success.

Generally in favor of nouns resources being used to fund software initiatives.

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Web3 based social will continue to grow. Nounspace is a stake in the ground for the Nouns brand within that space.

The team has taken a lot of feedback from the last proposal to heart. With this new proposal we are shifting our priorities to locking onto a clear product market fit. We'll be aiming to provide communities with a central landing page for their organization and iterating quickly based on direct feedback from the communities that adopt our platform.

Nounspace has a lot of potential for different use cases, but right now we're going to focus on delivering clear value and building exactly what our early space cadets are looking for.

I've played with nounspace and enjoy it. I think it has the power to really bring something completely net new for Farcaster/web3 and overall our dispersed web3 all into one cozy corner. A mobile app would be appreciated but regardless I am bullish on this vision and the team.

tech should be built to empower communities to do what they are already doing better. you cant convince people to use your tech without incentives and the problem with this strategy is that when incentives run dry those same users seek incentives elsewhere.

i also fear farcaster is losing its traction - too many bots and not enough real people.

I continue to be bullish on Nounspace, the team and the product. Excited to see them implement some of my own feedback to make the user experience better.

"We still haven't used nounspace, maybe the team could continue building with a smaller proposal and get some more users? We'd be happy to invite them to demo on the PizzaDAO community call 1pm ET Sundays on our Discord." - PizzaDAO Governance Crew

Strongly in favor of nouns allocating a portion of its treasury to open source platforms with the potential to be killer web3 apps that proliferate ⌐◨-◨ in positive, scalable ways. Beyond supporting projects like nounspace with funding, I think the nouns community has an unfair advantage to leverage our individual skills, experience, and networks to support projects in ways that don’t cost the treasury anything.

It’s time for us to take some shots on goal. Most will fail, but all it takes is for 1 to succeed. If we score, not only could Nouns survive, but thrive. If we instead focus the treasury on props that, while impactful and sometimes cheaper, don’t have the potential for significant scalability and upside, I’m not sure what the plan is to reverse the current treasury trajectory.

While success for nounspace depends on finding product market fit, we have all of the right ingredients. Building a competitive Farcaster client is a significant undertaking, but will yield invaluable benefits if Nouns succeeds. Supporting nounspace with $200k from the treasury as well as individually with our own skills and networks will significantly increase the odds for success.

At the very least, I hope you’ll all give nounspace a try, and if you don’t like the app or the prop, tell us what you think would need to change in order for this to be a heck yes.

Supporting this proposal is crucial to keep the momentum and potential of nounspace moving forward. Our team has shown resilience and adaptability by refining our approach based on feedback and lowering the budget request, while maintaining our vision for creating a powerful tool not just for nounish communities, but for any web3 group looking to elevate their social presence. Voting 'no' without clear reasons only creates confusion and stifles progress. A ‘yes’ vote here is not just a vote of confidence; it’s a vote for the future of decentralized social. I belive on Farcaster potential, I believe on nounspace application and I believe in Nouns as the central hub for the social of the new internet.

Absolutely! Nounspace has been one of the most promising projects all year.