I think we should actively be recruiting the best available talent (coders, artists, etc.) and make 'working with nouns' the best possible experience for them.

this kind of small asks with potential big upside should be funded quickly and without hairsplitting. at the end of the day, great talent, when neglected, will just find other projects to work with.

tbh, I don't care so much for what Yukigesho can do for nouns.sh (tho it looks great!), but all the new ideas he'll have in the process and what new project/client/tool may come out of it!

Generally i think Nouns is better off if people feel confident doing things on their own accord and, if the work is of high quality/see usage, can expect some form of retro compensation for their contributions. This is better than a world where no one is doing anything until after they receive a check (but ofc there is a spectrum here, both extremes might be undesirable).

It shouldnt be too easy to get retro comped though, and it shouldnt be a hard expectation from the proposer. I think we really want to make sure the work adds to the nouns game/mythos in some way, be it redundancy, users, smiles, capital inflow, eyeballs, etc.

Im glad that Nouns Terminal exists, thanks Yukigesho and winter!

Strongly in favor of funding open source software that has the potential to move the needle for the community, either by solving valuable internal problems, and/or even better, solving valuable problems for users and communities beyond nouns.

However, while nouns.sh is nice to have, I'm not yet convinced it checks either of those boxes. Appreciate Yukigesho and w1nt3r's work so far on this, and would like to see them continue building nounish stuff, but would much prefer to fund a prop with a path for how Nouns Terminal could provide benefits to Nouns that exceed the cost rather than maintain the status quo.

Also, while I'm in favor of retro funding where appropriate, agree with the other comments that the funding already received (25 ETH) should be mentioned.

This is going to pass regardless though, so congrats and good luck! Hope this funding helps nouns.sh evolve, attract more usage, and achieve sustainability 🤞

Love the self-host aspect. Need moar community and local software.

Would love to see a plan to get to protocol rewards sustainability with future milestones.

I'm going to vote for, but this vote shouldn't be used as a confirmation that there should be future rewards on the nouns terminal.
I personally don't think Nouns Terminal has been successful and I'd like both contributors to reconsider their approach.
I'm voting for because I like them and I want them to keep working on nouns related projects.

I really wrestled with this one.

one the one hand, I very much agree with Krel & Frog that a culture of retro rewarding work is desirable

on the other, I worry we're setting a bad precedent because of the details here

no disrespect to 9999 & ccarella, I think they made bad takes about precedent either not existing or being impossible to enforce in Nouns. it's impossible to scale without a culture of norms & boundaries enforced by people who stay around for a long time

I think its a bad precedent for two reasons:

• in his correspondence with Nouncil, Winter explicitly said, "I have plenty of Nounish project ideas (some really cool ones, actually!) for my intern, but I can't be paying him nothing."
• the Nounders wallet forcing this through

I was leaning For before reading that message. nouns.sh was explicitly restarted because of client incentives and the potential to earn revenue. if you've been unable to generate usage and if you're not in a position to take on paying an intern, the onus is not on Nouns to pay them for you just because you built something that interacts with Nouns contracts.

"Nouns should fund things that last.

This should not be a VC for startups or a job to pay your bills.

Create meaningful, lasting creations.Think 5-10 years, not just the next year.

Dream bigger. ⌐◨-◨" - ppd

the Nounders Wallet being activated for a non-core infrastructure proposal, (ie DUNA,) gives the appearance of impropriety and fundamentally undermines the idea of Nouns governance as decentralized. if Founders at large feel strongly about a proposal, they have votes in their individual wallets they can use to vote without sullying the process

I struggled with this one as well and was also leaning For. It's cool software and the fact that it's open-source and easy to self-host is great, but I think it's important the team demonstrates success/need for the product or participates in Nouns outside of seeking funding if they want continued support from the community

I really wrestled with this one.

one the one hand, I very much agree with Krel & Frog that a culture of retro rewarding work is desirable

on the other, I worry we're setting a bad precedent because of the details here

no disrespect to 9999 & ccarella, I think they made bad takes about precedent either not existing or being impossible to enforce in Nouns. it's impossible to scale without a culture of norms & boundaries enforced by people who stay around for a long time

I think its a bad precedent for two reasons:

• in his correspondence with Nouncil, Winter explicitly said, "I have plenty of Nounish project ideas (some really cool ones, actually!) for my intern, but I can't be paying him nothing."
• the Nounders wallet forcing this through

I was leaning For before reading that message. nouns.sh was explicitly restarted because of client incentives and the potential to earn revenue. if you've been unable to generate usage and if you're not in a position to take on paying an intern, the onus is not on Nouns to pay them for you just because you built something that interacts with Nouns contracts.

"Nouns should fund things that last.

This should not be a VC for startups or a job to pay your bills.

Create meaningful, lasting creations.Think 5-10 years, not just the next year.

Dream bigger. ⌐◨-◨" - ppd

the Nounders Wallet being activated for a non-core infrastructure proposal, (ie DUNA,) gives the appearance of impropriety and fundamentally undermines the idea of Nouns governance as decentralized. if Founders at large feel strongly about a proposal, they have votes in their individual wallets they can use to vote without sullying the process

Generally i think Nouns is better off if people feel confident doing things on their own accord and, if the work is of high quality/see usage, can expect some form of retro compensation for their contributions. This is better than a world where no one is doing anything until after they receive a check (but ofc there is a spectrum here, both extremes might be undesirable).

It shouldnt be too easy to get retro comped though, and it shouldnt be a hard expectation from the proposer. I think we really want to make sure the work adds to the nouns game/mythos in some way, be it redundancy, users, smiles, capital inflow, eyeballs, etc.

Im glad that Nouns Terminal exists, thanks Yukigesho and winter!

⌐◨-◨

Nouncil has spoken.

We discuss all Nouns proposals every week in our Discord https://discord.gg/fdjJpMeV6K. The calls are public and all are welcome!

You can find a link to previous call recordings in our Discord "links" channel.

Nouncil has voted Against this proposal, with 9 votes for, 23 against, and 11 abstentions. Thanks for playing Nouns.

FOR - 9 VOTES

peterpandam | "ty for the work Yukigesho, the client looks awesome ⌐◨-◨"

borg00000 | "i like nouns.sh"

AGAINST - 23 VOTES

sqx.pcc | *"I think the effort probably worth something. But unfortunately no interactions (I’ve seen with community) up until now.

And a restart of a prior paid client ONLY after incentives were launched.

If it couldn’t get incentive participation. That says something to me.

Sometimes you take the leap without the net. And fall. I hope yugi brings value elsewhere in the ecosystem. Other than reboots of front ends left for ded."*

ABSTAINS - 11 VOTES

https://www.lilnouns.wtf/vote/nounsdao/676/votes

FOR 17 VOTES

pipe da snowman | "good work"

AGAINST 21 VOTES

ABSTAIN 19 VOTES

Would like to see a more clear budget breakdown with a more concrete plan to promote given just one winning bid outcome

9 ETH for this work is if anything underpaid, considering the onboarding and context involved. Let’s recruit more great engineers. This proposal passing resoundingly will help.

I think we should actively be recruiting the best available talent (coders, artists, etc.) and make 'working with nouns' the best possible experience for them.

this kind of small asks with potential big upside should be funded quickly and without hairsplitting. at the end of the day, great talent, when neglected, will just find other projects to work with.

tbh, I don't care so much for what Yukigesho can do for nouns.sh (tho it looks great!), but all the new ideas he'll have in the process and what new project/client/tool may come out of it!

9 ETH for this work is if anything underpaid, considering the onboarding and context involved. Let’s recruit more great engineers. This proposal passing resoundingly will help.

9 ETH for this work is if anything underpaid, considering the onboarding and context involved. Let’s recruit more great engineers. This proposal passing resoundingly will help.

I think we should actively be recruiting the best available talent (coders, artists, etc.) and make 'working with nouns' the best possible experience for them.

this kind of small asks with potential big upside should be funded quickly and without hairsplitting. at the end of the day, great talent, when neglected, will just find other projects to work with.

tbh, I don't care so much for what Yukigesho can do for nouns.sh (tho it looks great!), but all the new ideas he'll have in the process and what new project/client/tool may come out of it!

Generally i think Nouns is better off if people feel confident doing things on their own accord and, if the work is of high quality/see usage, can expect some form of retro compensation for their contributions. This is better than a world where no one is doing anything until after they receive a check (but ofc there is a spectrum here, both extremes might be undesirable).

It shouldnt be too easy to get retro comped though, and it shouldnt be a hard expectation from the proposer. I think we really want to make sure the work adds to the nouns game/mythos in some way, be it redundancy, users, smiles, capital inflow, eyeballs, etc.

Im glad that Nouns Terminal exists, thanks Yukigesho and winter!

9 ETH for this work is if anything underpaid, considering the onboarding and context involved. Let’s recruit more great engineers. This proposal passing resoundingly will help.

I think we should actively be recruiting the best available talent (coders, artists, etc.) and make 'working with nouns' the best possible experience for them.

this kind of small asks with potential big upside should be funded quickly and without hairsplitting. at the end of the day, great talent, when neglected, will just find other projects to work with.

tbh, I don't care so much for what Yukigesho can do for nouns.sh (tho it looks great!), but all the new ideas he'll have in the process and what new project/client/tool may come out of it!

I think we should actively be recruiting the best available talent (coders, artists, etc.) and make 'working with nouns' the best possible experience for them.

this kind of small asks with potential big upside should be funded quickly and without hairsplitting. at the end of the day, great talent, when neglected, will just find other projects to work with.

tbh, I don't care so much for what Yukigesho can do for nouns.sh (tho it looks great!), but all the new ideas he'll have in the process and what new project/client/tool may come out of it!

Generally i think Nouns is better off if people feel confident doing things on their own accord and, if the work is of high quality/see usage, can expect some form of retro compensation for their contributions. This is better than a world where no one is doing anything until after they receive a check (but ofc there is a spectrum here, both extremes might be undesirable).

It shouldnt be too easy to get retro comped though, and it shouldnt be a hard expectation from the proposer. I think we really want to make sure the work adds to the nouns game/mythos in some way, be it redundancy, users, smiles, capital inflow, eyeballs, etc.

Im glad that Nouns Terminal exists, thanks Yukigesho and winter!

I think we should actively be recruiting the best available talent (coders, artists, etc.) and make 'working with nouns' the best possible experience for them.

this kind of small asks with potential big upside should be funded quickly and without hairsplitting. at the end of the day, great talent, when neglected, will just find other projects to work with.

tbh, I don't care so much for what Yukigesho can do for nouns.sh (tho it looks great!), but all the new ideas he'll have in the process and what new project/client/tool may come out of it!

I think we should actively be recruiting the best available talent (coders, artists, etc.) and make 'working with nouns' the best possible experience for them.

this kind of small asks with potential big upside should be funded quickly and without hairsplitting. at the end of the day, great talent, when neglected, will just find other projects to work with.

tbh, I don't care so much for what Yukigesho can do for nouns.sh (tho it looks great!), but all the new ideas he'll have in the process and what new project/client/tool may come out of it!

Generally i think Nouns is better off if people feel confident doing things on their own accord and, if the work is of high quality/see usage, can expect some form of retro compensation for their contributions. This is better than a world where no one is doing anything until after they receive a check (but ofc there is a spectrum here, both extremes might be undesirable).

It shouldnt be too easy to get retro comped though, and it shouldnt be a hard expectation from the proposer. I think we really want to make sure the work adds to the nouns game/mythos in some way, be it redundancy, users, smiles, capital inflow, eyeballs, etc.

Im glad that Nouns Terminal exists, thanks Yukigesho and winter!

Generally i think Nouns is better off if people feel confident doing things on their own accord and, if the work is of high quality/see usage, can expect some form of retro compensation for their contributions. This is better than a world where no one is doing anything until after they receive a check (but ofc there is a spectrum here, both extremes might be undesirable).

It shouldnt be too easy to get retro comped though, and it shouldnt be a hard expectation from the proposer. I think we really want to make sure the work adds to the nouns game/mythos in some way, be it redundancy, users, smiles, capital inflow, eyeballs, etc.

Im glad that Nouns Terminal exists, thanks Yukigesho and winter!